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If you ever celebrate a kid going to bed on time like it's a national holiday.

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If you ever whisper, I'll do it myself, and suddenly realize that's how you became a parent who never sleeps.

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If you ever hide chocolate in a safe place, only for your kid to find it the next day, then this episode is for you. Let's spill the coffee. Welcome to Mom's Brain as a Coffee Stain. I'm Kayla, your host, and current coordinator of two giant teens who think budget is a TikTok sound.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

And I'm Crystal, current taxi cab driver to one teen and chaos coordinator to the other teen. And today we're talking about nature versus nature. No, but really we are talking about being a product of one's environment and how we as parents create that environment.

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I eat my opposite.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

So the listeners know by this point that I was adopted. My early childhood is a tale that no one has time to hear today. And that's a topic best left discussed with my therapists and altogether. But to get to the heart of today's episode, it's kind of funny because I was raised and have core memories from two very different living situations. For better or worse, they shaped me into the person I am today, and also the mom I am today. There are things that I actively avoid doing that maybe I learned in my early childhood with my birth family, and things that I find triggering that I work on and sometimes still fail at.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

And generally speaking, right? But if it's important for you to do the right thing, then you'll choose right. I think our environment is what helps us with how important things forgive me, how important doing the right thing is to us. Does that make any sense?

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Yeah, it makes perfect sense because it's not just, oh, I'm doing this because it's right. If you don't value doing what's right, then you don't hardly care to do it. So I mean it makes perfect sense. And like you said earlier, like we model what we see. And if we model people who are, say, empathetic and caring and compassionate, and they do the right thing because it's not only just the right thing, but because they value doing the right thing, they value adding that to society or to somebody's life, then they're more likely to make the right decision.

SPEAKER_01 3:26

Absolutely. You know, I think that our environment is kind of what gives us um a background, right, for our morals and what we think is important. And I think that in all honesty, that could be because it was a great environment, or it could be because it was maybe not such a great environment. And really it's just how important is it to you to have a good, you know, life? Like, and that's just being honest, right? Like, if for example, let's say that you grow up in a chaotic, you know, constantly chaos going around you, a big family, even though say everything could be good, it's just a lot of chaos. Well, if that's something that tends to bother you, you know, that maybe in your adult life, subconsciously, you'll do things to avoid that. Or maybe if it's something that you really love, maybe you'll want to go on and have a big family. I think it really our environment gives us examples, but in all honesty, as we grow older and we mature, I think that's when we really decide what's really important to us, and then we figure out how to get that.

SPEAKER_00 4:39

I 100% agree with you. And I think another part that sometimes can be overlooked is our environment also not like not only does it shape who we are, but it shapes the partner that we pick in life. Um, you know, unfortunately, kids that come from trauma and abuse situations are more likely, especially young ladies, are more likely to find a partner who will commit domestic violence. And young men are more likely to commit domestic violence. Um and that's again, it's perpetuating the cycle, but that's because that's what they know. It was never interrupted, it was never broken. So to them, it's like how we always say normal. Well, normal is only relative to each individual person. You only know what's normal to you. Um and so they do that in their normal life. And it's like you said, you you want to grow up and you want to be happy, they may not even realize that they're unhappy. They may not even realize something else exists just because they've never seen it.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

Yeah, absolutely. That's such a great point. Like, I'm glad that you brought that up too, because you know, I I've had a lot of different friends that's had different living situations and whatnot. And when you kind of look at what their living situation was when they were younger to what it is now, a lot of it correlates. And some of them have absolutely decided that they did not want a life anything like what they went through when they were younger, so they've made strides to avoid that, you know, at all costs. But they had to realize it first, right? And like a lot of times our subconscious just leads us. We don't think about every single emotion that we have, every single word that comes out of our mouth, or every action that we do. We're really fueled by our subconscious a lot. So I think that's a really great point that you make.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

Yeah, and sometimes it comes down to, you know, when you grow up in an abuse situation, I know as like a young girl, it can be one of those things where you devalue yourself, right? Or it's I did something, so I deserve this, you know, because that's what you learn. Or if you're a young man, they did something, so this is how I respond to that. When in reality, it can be something as simple as like a teacher, a friend's parent, or something like that, just saying, you know, you deserve so much more. Yeah, you are worth so much more, you know, and that can kind of open somebody's eyes. You can't make somebody make a different life decision, and it's hard when you're in that environment to choose to do something different. And it it takes a lot of willpower to do that. And I commend everybody who does, but I think it it really does sometimes take an outside force to put a little bit of value and stock in somebody else and say, you are worth so much more than what you are getting right now, you know, and give that little boost of confidence. So maybe their eyes do open and go from there because that's gonna give them the courage to again do what's right. They may know what's right, they can read all the books, they see everything on the internet, they know, like logically, okay, this isn't how we should act or I should be treated, but emotionally, because how they were raised or whatever, this is just normal. This is what happens. But when somebody from the outside is saying, no, you know, you are worth more. This isn't just make-believe material like or propaganda. You actually deserve to be treated right, then it gives them the confidence to take the steps needed, and they feel like they have a safe place to turn to to talk to about, you know, some things, or maybe they're confused, or maybe they're not ready, but they're ready to open up to somebody. And that can be just as important.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

Yeah, absolutely. You know, I I think back to, like I said, some of the people that I was growing up with, and they from people from all different walks of life, you know, and all honesty. And when I look at um, and I just made a status about this the other day on Facebook. Actually, it might have been today. I don't remember. That's how crazy life is sometimes. But you know, when you think about um people in your past, right, and then you maybe you happen to run across them, you know, today, or maybe your friends on Facebook and you know, you read something and it like kind of really surprises you, maybe who they are today, right? Or maybe you start spending time with them and get to know them really well, and then you're like, Well, this is good or bad, doesn't matter, but just a surprise. And I honestly was thinking about that. You know, I was thinking about wow, you know, looking back and being a product of your environment and how important it was for them to do what they're doing, you know, to create the life that they want. And I think the older that we get as people, as human beings, um, we mature and we decide at some point in time what we want our life to look like, whether we do it consciously or subconsciously, and then we start making actions for that. But you're not gonna get anywhere if you don't realize it and you don't put actions into place. We can talk all day long about what we want, but if we don't do anything to make it happen, we're just gonna be stuck. And I think a lot of people kind of get stuck there. It's kind of what I've seen.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

Yeah, absolutely. And I think one of the the biggest things is is once you have children, you know, like my kid wasn't planned, you know. Um, I know you know what how that is. Um, and and that's okay. Life happens, right? But I did know I wasn't gonna be anything like my biological mother. Like I knew that. I knew exactly what I was not gonna do. Well, that's great. I didn't know what to do though. So I had to learn what to do. Yeah, and yeah, yeah, sure. That was like a lot of therapy and everything, but I had the will to to take those steps because I want my children to be happy and have stability and everything like that. And that was a decision that I made. Like, I want my child children happy, I want stability, like and that's it. And I want them to be safe. And then, you know, as time moved on and everything, it's one of those things I really realized, like, because people always say when you become a mother, you don't lose yourself. And while I agree with that to some aspect, I kind of look at it like biblically. When I got married, I was I'm called to be a wife and a mother. I'm not called to be Kayla.

SPEAKER_01 11:38

Right.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

Like, can I still have my own opinions and things like that? Absolutely. But Kayla is the last thing in that list of things. You know, I'm a wife and I am a mother. So those are where my areas of focus are. That is where my protection goes, my nurturing and everything like that. And the environment that I create for my husband and my children is paramount. Like, if if we're having a toxic environment, that's gonna bleed into them. And I don't want that. You know, you have to regulate, like, I know I have times where I have to regulate my emotions. You know, I'll get worked up about something, and I literally will have to be like, I'm done with this. And I will just sometimes slam a door and walk away. I'm not perfect. It happens, and my husband knows, like, eh, give about 25 minutes and then he'll check on me. He he'll he'll never send our son a check on me. Never. You know, he'll come in and he'll be like, Are you calm now? Right. Can can we talk about this now? You know, like, and I'll be like, You guys just don't understand what I was trying to say. You guys always think things are a joke or whatever it was that irritated me. I can express that to him, get it out, and then we can go back to having whatever family conversation we were having, you know, and I can try to maybe explain myself a little differently. Because again, whatever environment I create is the tone for my whole household. Because I am the household.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

I am the mother, I create the nurturing, I am the wife, I create the home. My husband provided me a house, I made it a home, you know. So it's my job to safeguard the environment in that home.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

Absolutely. I want to backtrack a little bit because I remember when you found out you were pregnant, how scared you was. And I had had ginger by that point, right? So, um, and for the listeners, we've mentioned before, but me and Kayla have known each other for an extremely long time, okay? And her son is my nephew, okay. So I remember how scared you was, and I remember telling you, like, Kayla, you know everything not to do. And then your mom, like, you know, your I'll say adopted mom, but that's her mom, you guys. Like, just to look to guys, so that's her mom. And you know, she showed you so many great things to do, you know, and I think it was scary at first, but you were such a natural at it. Like you're a phenomenal mom, you know, like and I love like how you're so there for Ethan, and you know him so well, and and it's almost like you can predict him, you know, and it's you guys have a really great natural back and forth with each other, to be honest. And I think that we learn I had a great mother too, you guys. Well, I do have a great mother. Um my mom is amazing, like she is what would they used to say, the bomb.com. Like, that's my mom. Uh-huh. Um, when I tell you, she was all of the things that you need growing up, like she definitely was. And I had a stepdad, but to me, that was not my stepdad, that was my dad through and through, right? And I had wonderful, amazing, great parents. I can't even begin to explain how amazing they were. But they showed me all of the right things as a parent. Did I always do the right things as a parent? Probably not, right? Because we we know, but we learn with experience too. So and that's when those things like those frustrations or even the good times, that the hard times, like all that stuff comes into play. And yeah, I I think that sometimes we don't lose ourselves as mothers, but I think we become a new person. And I think that it takes a while for us to understand that we're not lost, we're just different, and you have to love yourself, right? Like I'm a mom, I'm a wife. Me and Jeremy has been married and together since 2005. Um, and I'm very, very different from that person. Very different. And I love me though, right? Like I have a lot of things to work on. I really do. But I love me. And I love my kids, I love my husband, I love my family. Um, for the most part, it was me, my mom, my dad in the house, right? Sandy, you know, she was there too, but not as much, you know what I mean, especially as we got older, we became teenagers, we were doing our own thing. And Jeremy comes from a family where he has seven brothers and sisters. So he was very much in the middle of chaos all the time. You know, everybody's doing something, saying something, something's always happening. And my life was very, very different. So Jeremy does not enjoy chaos, he does not want to deal with it, and I'm a little more open to it, I'm not gonna lie, you know. Like, I I'm I'm cool with having all the nephews over. Like, I think currently there's like six kids in my house. Like, if not and like I'm cool with it, right? Like, I love having him here. It's and he loves having him here, it's just he's not good with the chaos and the noise anymore. And that's kind of where I circle back to, you know, peace is important for him. And whereas it's also important for me, my peace is a little bit different than his piece. So I think that as parents, we just kind of gotta be honest with ourselves and understand that whether you're a dad or you're a mom, you don't lose yourself, you just change, and that's a great thing, that's what we're supposed to do. You know, biblically we are um, as it's described in the Bible that I read, the man is the leader of the home and the woman is there to support him and nurture her children and raise her kids, and and the man is there to teach strength and support, and you together you teach them love and understanding. So I think that we just honestly have to remember that you know, we we're not lost, we're just different, and that's a great, it's what we're supposed to do. You're supposed to grow and learn and change.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

Absolutely, you know, and I had Ethan really young. Um, but it was it was so helpful because uh Jordan is like six months, yeah, about six months older than Ethan. And so is like Vinny. And um, that's my other nephew, one of my other nephews. And so JJR and Dominic, two of my my oldest nephews, they were already three and four. Um, so it was super helpful because I could look to you, who you were just exiting a period where Jordan was just coming, phasing out of something Ethan was phasing into, and you had already gone through it with Jared. And the same thing with Tap. I could look to her and she was doing the same thing. And so, whereas, and don't get me wrong, my mom was great, but at the same time, my mom hadn't had a baby in, you know, 20 years. So it's like, well, things have changed, mom, you know, car seats are different, strollers are different, I don't know what to pick, I don't know what this is. Like even so, yeah, what when it comes to, you know, how to take a baby's temperature, she's got it on lock, you know. Even reading Ethan's cries. If you think me and Ethan have this like weird relationship, oh my gosh, you just see him and his nanny, they like can look at each other and I swear they are having a full-blown conversation with their eyes. And they will just stare at each other for like five whole minutes. And I'm like, hello, other people in the room, can we be let in on it? You know. And and it's but at the same time, she is from day one, she has been able to differentiate his cry where I was still learning what, oh, that's a hungry or that's an I'm what or anything like that. And yeah, that of course that comes from experience for her, you know. But at the same time, it just is she has a connection with him. And it's like, even you, you you you used to have Ethan's cries on luck. You know, I remember when Ethan was little and he wanted a hot dog, and he would only eat his hot dogs a certain way. And he was so mad because somebody made him a hot dog and they made it the wrong way. And he just said, Auntistal, I'm not eating this. I remember that. And you were like, Who gave you that? And then he comes out with two hot dogs that like the exact way he liked. I'm like, was your antistal in there? He was like, Yeah. Or his noodles. Like, oh my gosh, his noodles. Oh, you can noodles, or when you you would have noodles and he would just crawl up next to you and just like slowly open his mouth. Because he needed them.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

I have pictures of that. My kid has always been obsessed with ramen noodles. Yes, yes. I'll plead the fit in that one. I won't be in the world.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

But it's so funny because it's like you said, you change, you know, and my therapist always used uh likes to tell me like as we go through life, we we change and there's things that we constantly work on. And there's things that we have changed through seasons that we have worked on and we no longer need to work on. And it's great, and you should celebrate that. But that doesn't mean you're done working on who you are. You should never quit working on who you are. Right. And I think about that all the time because you know, I love my son. I love my daughter. She's amazing, you know. She's starting college and she's just she's so absolutely different from Ethan. But those two together, they're hilarious. Like They may only see each other like twice a year right now, but they I mean you put them together, they are just funny. Like at her graduation, I was like, smile for a picture and get closer to your sister. And he was like, Oh no. And she's just like just grabbed him, and there's like a series of photos we were clipping, and he looks terrified of his four foot ten sister.

SPEAKER_01 22:24

She had that legendary Ethan face and she's so happy. And that's like Ethan be an Ethan.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

Ethan was like, she's about to break my arm. But it's it's nice because we've created an environment where they're they're so open and free to be who they are, you know, and that that's exactly what we want. But we also want them to carry that into their adulthood. And when they're picking their partners, we want them to always be who they are with the person that they love. And when they're raising our grandchildren, we hope that they carry that forth. And of course, the mistakes we've made with raising them, we don't want them to make. They're gonna make their own mistakes. Right. And we'll be here, you know. But I know for a fact I'm gonna be a better grandparent than I was a parent because I've I now have that experience. You know, I now know how to create the environment instead of winging it and trying to force it and create it, you know. So I know what it looks like when I say, okay, this is what we want.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

You know, and how to get there.

SPEAKER_01 23:37

Absolutely. You know, I think about that a lot now, you know, with Wayne having the baby. And I think about, um, I told mom the other day, I said, man, I said, I really understand like why you guys were the way you were with your grandkids, you know, like, and that's our generation where we have children and and some of them, if you're like me, I had a child very young. Um, I was 18, don't take me wrong, but I wasn't like, you know, my twenties, like, and I was like, oh man, like, you know, I was one of those people that were like, Yeah, like my mom and my dad, like they baby them, they do this, they do this, they baby me, you know. And like it's funny because I completely understand why they were that way, you know. And it's something that I think like we just go through these phases in life, and the older we get, the more we learn, the more we mature, and the more we can regulate our emotions. I think that's a huge part to life, you know, is being able to regulate your emotions. And if you're not happy, you can handle that, and if you are happy, you can handle that too. Sadness, you can handle it, anger, you can handle it. Like that's really the key to having the life that you want. Because if you can't regulate, that's like the most basic thing, then things are gonna be even harder for you. And that was a lot of my problems, I think, when I was younger. You know, I like had a very hard time with regulating my emotions, like not to the point where I've ever been in trouble or I did, you know, anything I shouldn't, but I made it harder on myself mentally than what it needed to be, you know. And now though I can honestly say that Jinger is and always has been one of the most mature kids that I have ever seen in my life. Jordan is gone on 40. Yeah, like hilarious because you know, Misa was like when he was a baby, she was like, That baby has a 740 credit score already. Like and we were cracking up, you know, and and Jordan is extremely mature at at 16 years old. I mean, these boys are beyond probably what I was at that age, and they have been like we've talked about um me taking care of a family member, and that's kind of been part of their life for the past few years, and I do think part of that has helped to create that too, right? But I think when it comes down to it, we all have individual lives, and I think it's just important for us as parents to regulate our emotions the best that we can um and create that safe environment and one that's not just physically safe, because a lot of people, when you say safe, they think just physical, mentally safe, right? Like take your conversations, which we're gonna have an episode coming up about that. Take your conversations elsewhere, you know, that they don't need to hear. Um, be show them happiness, you know, as best that you can. Show them peace the best that you can. And I think it's just really kind of show them a little bit of everything to help make them as well-rounded as possible.

SPEAKER_00 26:58

Makes sense. And that's what I was just gonna say too, because you can show your child conflict um without showing them like adult business. Like, because I always think of it like kids should not know adult business. Like, it's not a kid's job to know like bills or your relationship with your spouse or anything like that. But you can show your kids conflict. Like, for example, like if I want to buy a suitcase for our upcoming trip and my husband's like, Well, I want to buy this suitcase. You know, that's a conflict we have. We need to now come to a compromise, whether that's I'll buy this one and you get a travel bag you like, or we find a different one together. That's a conflict that they can we can show our children that you can still compromise. You can talk through it, you can acknowledge how each other feel, and you can find a solution to a problem. And I think that's a big one because when people people hear you say like um appropriate conversations and keep it safe for emotional stability, they think you can't have conflict. That's not true. You can have a conflict, you just need to keep it appropriate. And it's like you said, we are gonna have an episode about that, but I do think it's important just to note when we say safe, we're talking physical and emotional, but that doesn't mean you exclude anything. You know, it's like Crystal said, show them a little bit of everything. It does help them learn how to navigate the world and it helps them learn how to regulate their emotions. Because it's like you said, when you were younger, your emotions were hard to regulate. Same here, you know, and sometimes, like I said, I still catch myself having to be like, I gotta walk away for a minute, you know. And that happens and that's okay. But at least now, now I know, hey, pause this. There's no point in yelling and screaming and continuing this. You're upset, walk away, calm down. You know, whereas when I was younger, oh, I would beat that like it was a dead horse. I would go blue in the face, yelling my face. Right. Yeah. And and then it's at the same time, but like with the kids, I remember like babysitting the boys when I was pregnant, and I would be so paranoid every time I heard a noise, every time I heard some, you know, again, that's still an emotion. I could not regulate my emotion of fear of like, oh my goodness, what what if something happens? What if something happens? You know, it's like if you lay them down, or if Jordan used to always try to cover up with that blanket and like almost throw it all the way over his head and it would freak me out. So I'm like, oh my gosh, what if he stops breathing? I feel dirty. Okay, everybody sleep on the couch with Aunt Kayla. Many times she has done that many times. But again, that's not knowing how to regulate my own emotions. And, you know, granted, you guys had a great environment. They had a great bedtime schedule and everything like that. But it it's important that I learned that for Ethan to stop. You gotta, you gotta kinda regulate. And sometimes I'll tell you what, I didn't do a great job at that. I would just sit there and stare at him. I would. I would just stare at him because I would be so afraid he would stop breathing.

SPEAKER_01 30:25

I still do that when I have the baby. If he takes him down, I'll stare at him like because I have this irrational fear. Like I I don't know. Safety's always been a huge it's huge to everybody, don't take me wrong. But like I think I have this crazy amount of irrational anxiety. I don't even know how to exactly describe it. And I'm still very much learning how to regulate that, very, very much. Um, but you know what, yeah, I I love that you brought up the conflict because I think it's important for them to see healthy conflicts, um, and they see how you work it out, right? And it shows them a positive way to do that. Um, whether it's if you can sit down and talk about it right away, or you need to get up and take a minute and go catch your breath, whatever it is, I think that it's important for kids to see that and they can learn that on their own.

SPEAKER_00 31:28

Absolutely. You know, and at the end of the day, I kind of look at it like this. Not only am I creating an environment for my husband and my children, I am hopefully in creating, somewhat creating the environment my grandchildren and my great-grandchildren will grow up in. So it's my job to do the best that I can do. Well, it's time for our favorite part of the show. Mom hacks on curating a nurturing environment for our children to grow up in. I'll start first. Number one, regulate yourself first. Your nervous system sets the tone for your home. Pause, breathe, step away if needed. A regulated parent creates a safe emotional climate.

SPEAKER_01 32:14

And number two, repair after you mess up. You will mess up. We all do. What breaks cycles is saying, I shouldn't have yelled, I'm sorry, I'm working on doing better. Repair builds trust.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

Absolutely. Number three, validate feelings even when you don't agree. Instead of saying, stop crying, it's not a big deal. Try, I see you're really upset. Tell me what happened. Children who feel heard don't have to escalate to be seen.

SPEAKER_01 32:44

Absolutely. And number four, create predictable routines. Safety grows in consistency. Regular mealtimes, bedtime rituals, and check-in moments tell kids you're safe and you can count on this happening.

SPEAKER_00 32:59

Oh, yes, absolutely. And they sometimes don't like that, but that's okay.

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Right.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Number five, separate behavior from identity. Correct the behavior, not the child. Instead of you're so bad, say that choice wasn't okay. Children are not their mistakes.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

Absolutely. Six, replace fear-based discipline with connection-based correction. Fear may control behavior short term. Connection builds character long term. So instead of wanting your children to fear you, when you build that connection and you correct them, it builds a respect that they have for you. And then they want to do what they're supposed to do. So ask them, what were you needing in that moment?

SPEAKER_00 33:50

Yes, that's so important. Number seven, speak life over your children. What we repeatedly say becomes their inner voice. I think we all know a little bit about this. So we say to them, you are kind, you are capable. I am so proud of how you handled that. Build up their confidence.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

Yes. Eight, model healthy conflict. Let them see respectful disagreement. Let them see apologies. Let them see forgiveness. That's how they'll learn how to handle their relationships.

SPEAKER_00 34:27

100%. Number nine, build emotional vocabulary in your home. Have regular conversations about feelings. You can use charts if your kids are little or check-ins. That's a big one in our house. Actually, me and my husband even do that. We do like quarterly check-ins with each other. Or you could use like a rose and a thorn at dinner, like something good, something negative, and emotionally literate your kids, become emotionally regulated adults.

SPEAKER_01 34:58

I love that. And 10. Do your own healing work. Breaking generational cycles often means therapy, books, prayer, coaching, support groups, friends, whatever it is. Healing yourself is not a selfish thing to do. It's the most protective thing that you can do for your children and for your home.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

Yes. 11. Create a home motto. It can be something so simple, like in this house, we are safe, we are loved, and we talk about our feelings. It's really easy. Whatever works best for your family, my family, our household model, when we're home, we're home. It's really just simple. We kind of try to leave the rest of the world out. That doesn't mean we don't talk about it. It just means we acknowledge those feelings that the we may have had throughout the rest of the day or about things that happened out in the world. And then we try to release them and just be home and present with each other. Super simple. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 36:30

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Love y'all. Mean it. Go sip one for us. And we'll see you next Tuesday.